Filtering T30 batches to reduce ISRs and endotoxin risks

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I've only tried the orange-capped T30 version up to this point. The other one sits here unused so far. Locating any without orange caps, and lately the black ones too, has been difficult.

I feel bad that your stomach has been acting up. Those kinds of digestive troubles are really unpleasant. I went through some rough stomach aches myself while on that medication, so I understand the discomfort. For the past month I've been on the orange-capped version and everything has been fine for me. It's been out there since late June, and by now any big problems would likely have shown up in reports. I've come across lab results showing concentrations up to thirty-six milligrams from one source. If it's all the same batch, perhaps the amount you're getting is more than expected. The way your issues started lines up better with too much of the substance than with some kind of gut infection. That kind of bacteria couldn't survive in a dried powder vial anyway, and it wouldn't affect you through a shot under the skin. From what I've heard in an interview, failed checks often involve cleanliness at a low rate, but using a filter cuts down that chance a lot. There could be some leftover toxin concern, yet that still doesn't seem to match what you're describing. It points more to a reaction from the strength of the dose. I wouldn't rush to get rid of the rest of it. You could experiment with a smaller amount after filtering it using standard saline and check the reaction. Or mix one portion using pure injection water to eliminate other variables and try half the normal amount to test. There's still a chance it will work out okay for you.

There's a source carrying T30 terminals with clear caps and copper crimps along with clear caps paired to red crimps. They stock T15, T20, T40, and bigger sizes too. The cost won't match the lowest overseas bulk rates, yet I find the pricing fair given solid testing and responsive local support. One more note, a different T30 version shows up with a pink cap and black crimp.

With so many of these containers on hand I could mail a few over to a community testing service for some definite answers.

An intriguing detail there. I have to say I stopped calculating my intake from the analysis certificate a long time ago, given how long I've been using this. These days my amount sits at fifteen milligrams of the medication, although the extra fill might bring it closer to seventeen or eighteen. Lately I've been measuring out fifty units. I remain convinced the bottles are tainted from not meeting sterility standards, yet I plan to follow the idea of cutting back to around thirty five or forty units to observe what happens.

Got hold of T40 with those orange tops. Haven't noticed any results whatsoever. Could be they mixed up the dose and gave T30 instead. Puzzled about the poor performance.

Yeah that concern hits me too. What stands out in my mind is a full body immune reaction. Those site specific responses normally stay put yet sepsis from blood infection can actually happen you know.

On top of everything else there's also an infection hitting the sinuses. Everything has to line up in a logical way.

Man these foldable still air boxes showed up and they have such a polished appearance. Appreciate the suggestion.

This setup let me shift my project stuff into the garage area. It stays assembled there under a cover so the neighbors won't suspect anything shady, and my partner was fine with the idea. I simply carry items to and from the cold storage using a cleaned container or sealed pouch. The spray bottle and custom holder now sit ready for whatever comes next.

I came across this discussion quite a bit after it started. Having gone over the various comments, including one mentioning sterility, this matched what I had been thinking regarding the signs of the condition. The description matches runner colitis quite closely, with loose stools containing mucus and blood. Perhaps it resulted from an intestinal response similar to what happens to some people following extended physical activity. This appears connected to tension. It occurred to me and could possibly benefit others down the line.

In the end I prepared a bottle of that material and worked out the numbers from the analysis paperwork. Nothing came up afterward. Maybe the quantity ended up higher than needed because I followed the bottle label rather than the paperwork value. Still it pushed me into starting the filtration step and that turned out helpful.

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After football ends baseball season begins right away. 😄

Does that mean you're avoiding the ice games? Root for the Kraken!

I have no idea what hockey involves because the game isn't followed much around here.

I keep at it no matter what, funny how that goes. My real doubt here is this: without any idea what caused the trouble, even assuming it came from those containers in question, how could anyone know for sure that running everything through a filter would have fixed things? A filter leaves behind plenty of bigger risks such as bacterial toxins.

It really bothers me when folks filter without wearing any gloves. Bacteria like staph are all over the place, and cleaning hands alone falls short because of natural skin oils and such. That's why I always put on gloves before pulling from a container. I pick up nitrile ones during sales, and extra large sizes are available too.

Filtering even at 0.22 micron won't remove endotoxins or some small viruses, but it will stop anything that can grow. That leaves only whatever is already in the vial as a concern rather than anything that might multiply later. Endotoxins aren't typical in most processes, though NAD, glutathione, and HGH are exceptions because they are made biologically and could carry them if the maker didn't remove them. Most other peptides are built chemically from amino acids so endotoxins are unlikely, though bacteria or debris could still get in during packaging. Checking is sensible but not a big worry except for those specific items or anything made in the same place. Volumes injected are often larger too.

HGH at least uses a low dose. Some go over 400 mg of glutathione in one shot. I keep mine to 200 mg per injection to match the IM amount used at the local clinic, but now I'm thinking I'll stick to no more than 100 mg each time.

Good tip, thanks for sharing. Without a real lab or knowing the exact reasons behind the design, it's hard to figure out the most practical steps.

I take a syringe with about 0.10 of bac, open the filter package without fully removing the label or the filter itself, and slowly push the bac in, sometimes in a circle. Then I mix everything else and by the time I'm ready to filter the bac has soaked in so there's no resistance. I figured this out myself a couple years ago when I kept getting poor flow with gray market stuff. The material was just too dry and fighting back. Some people never have that problem so maybe it was just me.

Thanks for sharing that. I did notice some people having trouble filtering and it turned out they were trying to pull through the filter into the syringe instead of pushing out. Apparently pushing is much easier.

That's odd because I was pushing, not pulling. I never considered pulling until someone mentioned it, and it seems like it would waste the filter plus lose more product than necessary.

Correction: the endotoxin risk is actually higher with low-dose HGH because at least some versions are grown in E. coli rather than yeast. I'll definitely try my tesa next instead.

I've always just used a thick squirt of 90 percent hand sanitizer and rubbed it in well. That should handle the staph, right?

It helps but isn't as sterile as gloves. Also 70 percent works better than 90.

Here's a counterpoint you'll like: my buddy does his morning business, washes with Dial, then mixes and injects right on the dirty counter next to the toilet. Zero problems in over ten years doing it that way.

I'm going to filter, and I like the glove suggestion. They should arrive tomorrow along with a couple other supplies. I'll keep that reconstitution procedure too.

That should have said not filter. My fingers can't keep up with my brain.

Yes I do pre-wet. It seems to improve flow and I don't like wasting product or filters.

Besides the 70 versus 90 percent point, your method works fine for quick draws and injections, though alcohol dries out my hands in this climate.

Wow I feel like an idiot. I've been looking into peptides for over two years and never filtered. Part of me wonders if this is just a way to get people to spend more. Don't come at me. Do you really do this with every vial?

Yes. I stopped getting ISRs after starting. It costs a few dollars and some time. A systemic infection and ER visit would cost a lot more.

Yeah the cost is only a couple dollars per cart and pennies per shot. It's cheap compared to the gray market stuff and I'd rather avoid whatever bacteria might survive in south China water.

I do now, never used to. Just ordered a box of 100 of the 13 mm filters. What's ISR please?

Thanks.

Yes, that red raised spot that hurts and often itches. It doesn't happen to me anymore. From what I understand it occurs when the body has antibodies to something like bacteria and reacts to it. You can also form antibodies to anything you introduce, even after it was fine for a while. Sudden allergies to bee stings or seafood are common examples. So there's no guarantee an antibody won't develop later. Filtering just removes the things it can catch.

I have a box of 100 of the 13 mm ones due tomorrow, all individually wrapped.

Regular gloves aren't sterile.