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Summary

How does survodutide compare to retatrutide on liver fat reduction, visceral fat loss, tolerability, and dropout rates?

The thread reviews phase 3 data showing survodutide cuts liver fat 63% and visceral fat 34% at 6 mg over 76 weeks, trailing retatrutide's 86% and 48% reductions at 48 weeks. Participants note survodutide's higher discontinuation rates (two to four times Wegovy) and strict titration, while some users report good personal results with fewer side effects than retatrutide or when combined with tirzepatide. Study design flaws like forced titration and placebo contamination are highlighted as reasons for weaker outcomes. Individual responses vary, with some doing better on glucagon/GLP-1 alone.

What this discussion establishesWhere people disagree

Whether absence of GIP agonism is a clear disadvantage for efficacy and side-effect profile versus retatrutide.

Still open

Which patients would actually respond better to survodutide than to tirzepatide or retatrutide without prior hormone testing.

Nothing here is advice.

16 replies · 12 people
SteadyTimber22archiveopening postJul 30

It appears this treatment suffers from a terrible rate of people quitting and probably won't rank among the top performers. Shares of the firm developing it fell by roughly a quarter after the study findings appeared. Those investing view how well folks tolerate side effects as essential for commercial success, and since the dropout rate in testing runs two to four times higher than a competing option this one looks like a flop. After reviewing early figures I'm keeping my supply of the compound without much hesitation because I own a few sets and expect its focus on internal and organ fats might help my oddly proportioned frame.

PatientHarbour28archiveJul 30

The missing GIP part probably explains why this feels tough to accept, and yes that was a weak joke. It really sparked my curiosity though. Findings from the late-stage studies show the medication produces a 63.1 percent drop in liver fat plus a 34 percent drop in visceral fat when using the top dose they tested, six milligrams, across seventy-six weeks.

BrightSparrow36archiveJul 30
↳ replying to @PatientHarbour28

Wondering whether this lines up differently from those reta trials.

PatientHarbour28archiveJul 30

Got that melody stuck in my head about going to any lengths with a little smiley. Liver fat dropped sixty three point one percent under the first approach after seventy six weeks while the other reached eighty six percent sooner after forty eight weeks. Visceral fat showed a similar gap at thirty four percent versus forty eight percent across those same time frames.

ClearHarbour45archiveJul 30
↳ replying to @PatientHarbour28

I have to admit that medication shifted my liver condition from stage two fat buildup down to healthy with just three percent fat content. I spent roughly fifteen months trying the earlier options on their own and then together.

CopperSignal27archiveJul 31

It's tough for me to understand why anyone would choose a GLP-only option when GIP activity can offset the downsides from GLP-1. That balance often means fewer issues overall or the ability to use higher amounts for stronger results. Some folks might get by with minimal problems anyway, yet on the whole the added GIP tends to produce better fat loss and liver improvements than a glucagon plus GLP-1 combination.

PatientHarbour28archiveJul 31
↳ replying to @ClearHarbour45

Way to go on pulling that off. Three fat varieties come to mind. The kind under the skin seems like nothing more than a nuisance in the best case. The sort around organs looks bad for overall health. The one stored inside the liver appears quite risky.

NorthBramble68archiveJul 31

The protocol demanded steady dosage increases for every participant involved. No one could opt to hold steady at one level or skip any steps along the way, in contrast to earlier comparisons where flexibility was built in. Quite a few people assigned to the inactive group turned out to be using a similar compound without disclosure, which produced five percent body weight reduction among them anyway. Later trials will require tighter controls overall. I kept my own increases gradual throughout.

LevelBramble14archiveJul 31

Unfortunately a placebo ends up being required. I'd feel frustrated expecting complimentary slimming but landing in the control group by luck.

PlainBramble29archiveJul 31

A person I know took part in that research project and shed sixty pounds during a twelve-month period. Diabetes was also an issue for her, prompting her involvement in the project. When it wrapped up, they ceased providing the treatment, however she was able to sustain the loss and remain free of the illness, based on her account to me.

CopperAlder18archiveJul 31
↳ replying to @LevelBramble14

Yeah I've been curious forever about what's really inside those inert pills. Maybe just some salt solution or the like?

KeenPebble33archiveJul 31

Sharing my perspective here as well. Skin reactions made it impossible for me to stick with the first medication mentioned. Switching to the next one proved better. It delivered solid results over the course of a year when paired with the combination treatment, and nothing went wrong. Still, I understand this choice isn't as economical compared to the original.

NorthBramble68archiveJul 31
↳ replying to @LevelBramble14

People who got the fake treatment in those studies felt the exact same way, which means some must have been using the medication without telling anyone. This makes me wonder if future studies using fake treatments for these drugs can even happen. I bet they'll end up requiring comparisons to other medications instead.

RustMarble22archiveJul 31
↳ replying to @CopperAlder18

I tend to use normal saline for shots in most situations.

CopperSignal27archiveAug 1

That observation grabbed my attention right away. Routine checks for those hormone concentrations rarely happen beyond lab studies. The data suggest certain individuals respond more strongly to one medication over another when their starting amounts differ, though the underlying reason still puzzles me. Everyday concentrations sit far below what the medications deliver, so it seems odd that those starting values would influence outcomes at all. Checking first might not be practical, yet switching medications could make sense after a poor response to the initial choice, even trying the alternate option despite my own rough time with it earlier. I still lean toward beginning with the other two options.

SteadyTimber22archiveAug 1
↳ replying to @CopperSignal27

Your slimming achievements really amaze me.

SlowLedger42archiveAug 1
↳ replying to @CopperSignal27

What stood out most for me is how a small subset of users might actually respond better to sema instead of tirz. When everything gets judged by broad averages where tirz looks stronger across the board, those individuals could easily get overlooked in treatment. Once glucagon agonists enter the picture, it makes sense that the same small subset could end up responding better to survo. We still lack any way to spot them without running tests, yet the pattern suggests they really are out there.

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