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Personal Responsibility vs Systemic Causes of Obesity and Weight Loss

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SteadyQuill55archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @SlowSignal40

The toughest part of earlier quit attempts has always been the emotional crash from losing my sense of who I am. I've used tobacco since childhood and those years now sit far behind me. Taking a drag gives an instant rush of feeling tough and detached, matching the image I hold of myself as a weary rebel from old action films set decades ago. Dropping that feeling cuts deep. Stopping is necessary because reaching this point in life makes any delay risky given how much time may already be lost, and further waiting isn't an option. Still the ache stays sharp.

SlowSignal40archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @SteadyQuill55

Back when I smoked, it was even those highly dependence-causing ones with fantastic taste. Switching to the vapor method only made my situation decline more. Stopping has no bad moment, and I think the present beats later. In my past attempts, the opening days challenged me most. Getting beyond them meant cutting off contact with every other person consuming nicotine, which brought me success. Plus I stayed away from that one country for good.

CopperSignal25archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @AmberCompass54

What an astonishing breakthrough that transformed everything for me. The generosity shown by sharing really impresses me above all else in the update.

WarmWillow50archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @AmberCompass48

Vaping is the only reason I haven't returned to tobacco right away. Back in 2002 I gave up cigarettes completely, then shifted over to the electronic version by 2010... sigh. Even now whenever someone I know sparks one up I catch myself wanting to snatch it away and dash off with it... the scent of just-lit tobacco still appeals to me though I can't stand the lingering odor once it's gone cold. One advantage here is my clothes stay fresh so my spouse actually leans in for a kiss. 😍

AmberCompass48archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @WarmWillow50

I understand what you mean. My partner hasn't quit smoking yet and I find the habit really off-putting. It'd be great if she switched to vaping instead since that might improve several situations.

QuietKettle56archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @AmberCompass48 (opening post)

To be frank it's an issue if your views on other people's looks haven't shifted after your own changes whether it's habits like smoking or former body size. You really need to adjust your thinking if you want to maintain what you've achieved. I've gone through losing and gaining weight multiple times and even during heavier periods the appearance bothered me. Provided you're not affecting anyone else and you hold back your thoughts there's nothing wrong with that.

KeenKettle50archiveMay 20

Yeah I follow what you mean. There's a narrow gap separating genuine support from that smug better-than-you stance some women who lost weight now carry around. It annoys me when folks mock heavier people purely over their size yet I truly resent those who dropped the pounds themselves and then turn around to mock others just to feel above them.

SlowHarbour21archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @IronLantern24

Wrong on that count. Acquire fresh garments and compliment your appearance directly. Refrain from questioning your value. Hold firm in your transformed identity yet steer clear of overconfidence the way I have. I'm sure success awaits you.

KeenKettle50archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @IronLantern24

When things turned really awful for me, going to see a specialist made all the difference.

AmberCompass48archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @RustSignal22

Appreciate the help after such a rough experience for real!!!

SlowSignal40archiveMay 20

It's intriguing how the bulk of people on this forum seem to draw their sense of value and satisfaction from dressing well.

SlowSignal40archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @AmberCompass48 (opening post)

I am certain our paths have not crossed before, and my sibling remains unseen by you. That accounts for the drop of 117 pounds... Cheers!

AmberCompass48archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @SlowSignal40

Whoa over eight hundred messages after barely a month here that's wild. Hell yeah you belong with the rest of us now you wild bastard.

WarmWillow50archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @IronLantern24

Even though the weight is gone my thoughts haven't shifted and I still see myself as bigger than reality. I automatically grab the bigger tops even though mediums fit properly now. With pants the pattern holds where twelve and ten both feel oversized and an eight just doesn't register as possible.

SlowSignal40archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @WarmWillow50

I'm thankful for being male. My thoughts line up exactly with the truth and contain zero false notions. I'm overweight and I recognize it clearly both in my mind and in actual fact. This talent for bending language runs strong inside me. Pass along terms and I whip up a jumble, hand me full lines and I craft something strange. Now I wonder whether those dull compounds could be scrambling brain cells.

PlainAlder11archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @AmberCompass48

That guy only writes stuff so he can glance back at his own words. 😂

KeenKettle50archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @SlowSignal40

It goes that way with average folks except if someone builds muscle and sticks to plain workout tops every single day.

WarmWillow50archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @SlowSignal40

Haha your masculine traits are showing up strong right now you remind me of my partner 😆 I have to say I enjoy pretty outfits more since they actually suit me these days. Usually I stick with casual farm-style looks like pants boots and a simple top yet having some variety in what I wear feels good too. Perhaps that's just the feminine influence.

SlowSignal40archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @PlainAlder11

The burden that comes with knowing how to read... 😈 Could apply to people from Korea, but actually it doesn't. Recalled a Korean acquaintance from university days who proved to be quite the tough character. Competitive sports types probably satisfy their sense of self-worth via routes besides outfits 😉 Yet if someone believes this pattern holds for regular folks then eating roughage now worries me since I lack any testosterone to shed. 😒 Look, evidence appears right away to that person. Not perhaps but absolutely. Masculinity amounts to whatever shifts occur once testosterone rises.

SteadyQuill55archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @KeenKettle50

For nearly ten years I've relied on black sleeveless undershirts cut for guys as my regular indoor outfit. These days even the smallest ones drape loosely and lose all shape on me. So I recently cleared out about thirty and swapped them for black camisoles with thin straps. The new ones look fantastic. The older style can look okay on a woman when it's fitted tight, yet the camisoles come out much nicer overall. Just to clarify, the shirts were black in color and not property of any particular men. Men of any background can wear the same kind if they like, but mine were mine and everyone else can track down their own.

SlowLedger88archiveMay 20

It's interesting how this body image distortion evolves with time. When I weighed the most, I failed to grasp the extent of my size increase. Mastering certain stances, illumination, and perspectives helped me believe my appearance was acceptable. After dropping fifty pounds, the reflection now shows only the heaviest iteration of me.

SlowSignal40archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @SteadyQuill55

I feel fine admitting how well this matches your whole vibe. A cop who hits his wife and is black. Sure Random that label works. Ladies always go for the dangerous guys.

PatientBeacon95archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @SlowSignal40

For me the main gain is never worrying over outfits anymore. What I get is real mental ease rather than feeling attractive. No more forcing myself into tight pieces that make me overheat and then swapping several times only to still feel overweight. Getting dressed stopped being a daily hassle the way mornings once were. I guess it is personal but I like looking decent so other women skip the comments yet not enough that guys approach.

SlowSignal40archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @PatientBeacon95

This illustrates it's impossible to satisfy any female.

SteadyQuill55archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @SlowSignal40

If I suddenly became a black man overnight, beating a wife would never cross my mind. I would not even risk it. Who knows if I could find a wife at all, given I would be starting fresh with the background of a middle-aged white woman who mostly dated men before. Dating would feel completely disorienting and I would probably come across as pretty irritable.

SlowSignal40archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @SteadyQuill55

You would end up like a ghetto edition of Mel Gibson in that movie where he hears what women think. Plus you would already know what white women respond to. And yeah, you have a point about black men preferring vanilla these days, at least according to what Kevin Samuels claimed. That is basically what being a woman feels like, but I am glad you are starting to see the confusion that affects everyone.

IronCompass33archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @AmberCompass48 (opening post)

GLP-1s have actually increased my frustration with the whole setup that caused weight to rise across society over the past forty years. I get angry when the focus stays on single people instead of the environment they live in. I am furious we shame individuals on the street rather than directing that at companies and the living conditions that produced this. One of the strongest predictors of BMI is the zip code someone lives in, and moving changes weight to match the new area. That points to a societal problem, not a personal one. Decades of evidence show sustainable weight loss through diet and exercise alone is basically impossible, with over ninety percent regaining everything and often more, no matter the plan. Still we attack people at higher weights as if they are the issue. Using these meds has made clear that weight management was never just about the person.

KeenKettle50archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @SlowLedger88

There are bodybuilders who talk about the reverse form of body dysmorphia where they never feel muscular or vascular enough. The drive to keep getting bigger is very real in that group, yet they rarely say it out loud because, as some women put it, men will do anything except go to therapy. It is sad to watch as a man myself since it pushes us further into a bad place.

SlowLedger88archiveMay 20
↳ replying to @KeenKettle50

It really is tragic. Too many men are told to just deal with it and end up believing they suffer alone because no one speaks up. Far more people face the same issues than they probably realize.

AmberAlder67archiveMay 21

I end up feeling sorry for people who are really overweight. I am six foot five and fourteen years ago weighed over four hundred pounds. I started working on myself, got on TRT, returned to the gym, dropped sixty pounds and kept it off for years. My weight bounced between three twenty-five and three fifty for a long time, then reached two ninety-five about five and a half years ago before going back to three thirty. In November twenty twenty-five I tried carnivore and got to three oh five, then started reta in January twenty twenty-six and lost thirty pounds by early February. I mention all this because I understand how difficult it is. What really gets to me is seeing obese kids and teens. I get upset with the parents since a child being obese seems like the parents responsibility. I also dislike seeing carts loaded with junk food, but I keep those thoughts to myself because it is not my place.

SlowBramble78archiveMay 21
↳ replying to @AmberCompass48 (opening post)

I get what you mean. That change happens more often than people say. After dropping a huge amount of weight the mind seems to turn extra critical toward the old version of yourself that is still out there. It feels like your brain is guarding the new you by judging the old habits so you avoid slipping back. I have noticed the same pattern with quitting drinking, smoking, and losing weight. Most people are not at your stage because they have not gone through the same pain, discipline, and focus. That naturally creates a gap in understanding. You are looking great, keep going. By the way I was going to share photos of my arms too but they look tiny next to yours.

SlowSignal40archiveMay 21
↳ replying to @BlueLantern84

At last a reasonable voice shows up. Hold on though, is head trauma required before thinking straight? That would be a shock. Absolutely the brain damage. Go ahead pal, smash your foe, watch them flee ahead of you and savor the weeping from their ladies. I will supply the snacks. Using that compound? Someone mentioned eyesight trouble from it. This ranks as the worst illegal act I have witnessed anywhere. Seen that film more than a hundred and fifty occasions yet it will never seem identical to me now.

BlueMarble65archiveMay 22

I do not think it is that simple. Carts full of junk food are one thing, but that overlooks the likely role of genetics and metabolic makeup. Plenty of people here had parents who never wanted them to be heavy and who were not heavy themselves, yet the kids still ended up far overweight.

RustPebble50archiveJun 6
↳ replying to @WarmWillow50

I went through the same thing with clothing sizes after losing sixty pounds on Adderall in my thirties. I cannot wait for it to happen again.

PatientPebble79archiveJun 7
↳ replying to @CopperSignal27

I am in the same situation. I have not said anything to my adult son, but I think about it a lot. He is now on blood pressure medication and his weight has only increased. His diet is mostly white flour and sugar. There is a lot of heart disease and early deaths on my husband's side. He is afraid of needles, so if I ever mention it I will bring up the Foundayo pill option.

PatientPebble79archiveJun 7
↳ replying to @IronCompass33

A lot of the hate toward GLP-1s seems to come from normal or thin people who felt superior to heavier people even though they did not do any more than fat people to eat well or exercise, which does not solve obesity long term anyway. They appear to have little else going on, but even at their worst they could always say at least they were not fat. That was their way to feel better about themselves. When a shot removes that difference they quickly start claiming we do not know the long-term effects and hoping they are terrible. They have no idea what it is like to be fat or to try losing and keeping it off, yet they are quick with nasty stereotypes that make them feel good. I would not say I am angry at them, but I am glad I do not waste time putting others down the way they do.

NorthMarble34archiveJun 7
↳ replying to @AmberCompass48 (opening post)

I do not understand the reaction. You are not them, so why does it matter? I quit smoking and do not care when I see smokers. Same with seeing heavier people. We live in a country that built a huge industry around getting and keeping people overweight, not just fast food but candy, junk, advertising, and cultural events centered on overeating. It took me several failed tries, then a medication, then getting it through an illegal route, before I could manage it. I see no reason to push my own priorities or health views onto others. I know dry drunks who act like alcohol was their only issue and now call everyone an alcoholic. They still have the same problems they had while drinking, just now they are self-righteous about not drinking. You come across the same way. You cannot assume thin people feel smugly superior to fat people; that is you projecting it onto them. I do not need reading glasses and I do not think those with laser eye surgery are cheating or that I am naturally better.

LevelAlder29archiveJun 7
↳ replying to @SteadyQuill55

I hear you. My friend has always been heavy, just like both of us were overweight as kids. She has done a lot of therapy and work to feel worthy after years of discrimination tied to her weight. When I began losing on tirz I wanted to tell her she had to try it, but then I paused because she is already on a GLP-1 for diabetes and it does not affect her weight. Hearing that would have been crushing. Even if I had never wanted medication, someone handing me information on how to lose would have felt awful. Their good intentions would not offset yet another person implying I was substandard because of my weight. By now most people know about these meds and know someone who has had success or have heard of celebrities using them. If someone is not on them it is probably because they lack access or choose not to, and there is nothing I can do to change either of those.

IronKettle44archiveJun 7
↳ replying to @PlainCompass54

Nobody wants some random person in Kohl's.

LevelAlder29archiveJun 7
↳ replying to @CopperSignal27

Yes, exactly. I tried so many diet pills, green tea, raspberry ketones, whatever Dr. Oz and others claimed was the answer, just throwing money at a fantasy. I used an app to figure out the cost per pound lost with tirz and it came to thirty-eight dollars after four months and twenty-five pounds down, plus I made beginner choices about where to get it. No shame in that, I was and still am figuring it out, and it has been worth every dollar.

KeenPebble83archiveJun 7

I dream of approaching people to give them a small bottle of reta and softly saying right next to their head that it will help them remain well lol

PatientMeadow16archiveJun 7
↳ replying to @LevelAlder29

You have got this. We were all lied to our whole lives. I do not blame people like Dr. Oz, he is just going off the information he was given and believes. This reset has motivated me more than ever. Stay motivated and keep learning about yourself through research.

LevelTimber64archiveJun 7

I keep remembering what it felt like to be invisible and the mental load of frustration that came with it. I try, when it fits, to let people know they are seen and to be kind. They do not need pity, nobody does. People need kindness, not just those at a healthy weight.

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